Monday, September 8, 2014

Does Yeshua still have a physical body? by Tuese Ahkiong

Does Yeshua still have a physical body?

by Tuese Ahkiong

2 Corinthians 5:16

From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer.

***Is not Paul stating that Christ is no longer to be regarded according to the flesh? yep.

Who is the "from now on, therefore,we regard no one according to the flesh?"  

14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
16 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

The new creation.

Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

***Is not Christ the last Adam who became a life-giving spirit according to this verse?

Hebrews 2:5-9

For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. It has been testified somewhere,
“What is man, that you are mindful of him,
    or the son of man, that you care for him?
You made him for a little while lower than the angels;
    you have crowned him with glory and honor,
    putting everything in subjection under his feet.”
Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. 9But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesuscrowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

***Are not these passages stating that Christ was made "for a little while" lower than the angels???  How long is a little while?

Hebrews 5:7

In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.

***Does not this verse acknowledge that Christ's flesh was past tense?

Hebrews 8

Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man.For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; thus it is necessary for this priest also to have something to offer.
4Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law. They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, “See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.” But as it is,Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

***Is not Christ's priesthood and ministry in the holy places, the true tent, spiritual/ heavenly and not physical?

1 Peter 2:4-6

 As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious,you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus ChristFor it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
    a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.

****Was is Yeshua a physical living stone or is this meant to be taken spiritually?

1 Peter 3:18-20
 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

***Was not Christ made alive in the spirit?  Did He go to spirits in prison in His physical body or His spirit?

1 Peter 4:6

For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.

***How does God live according to this verse?   He lives in the spirit.

1 Timothy 1:16-17

Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life. 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

****Paul is addressing Christ and states that one of His attributes is being INVISIBLE.  God, The Son, taking on an additional nature of humanity was part of Christ's humility.

*In the next 3 verses, Yeshua returns in the glory of his Father in judgment, just like God, The Father did through out The Old Testament.  God did not take on physical form but He was present and His judgment was felt by those whom He poured His wrath upon.  Remember God is Spirit.

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.

Mark 8:38

For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”

Luke 9:26

For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

1 John 3:1-2  
See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.

* John was expecting Christ's return within his life time.  Christ returned in 70AD in the glory of The Father, in Spirit and not physical.  John saw (perceiving, understanding) Yeshua as He is; THE LORD GOD.  Just think, John was aware of Yeshua's resurrected body for 40-days before the ascension.  Why then, does John say "what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is", if already knew the resurrected Christ's body?

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

*The events in The book of Revelation are said to be near, soon, quickly, at hand, coming soon...  Yeshua came in the clouds like God, The Father, in Spirit to bring judgment.  The book of Revelation is about revealing Yeshua as THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!

John 4:24
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

  1. Acts 9:27 But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles and declared to them how on the road he had seen the Lord, who spoke to him, and how at Damascus he had preached boldly in the name of Jesus. 
  2. 1 Corinthians 9:1 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord?
Ephesians 1:20-23 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

Acts2:32-36   ThisJesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore EXALTED at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34 For David did not ascend into the heavens,but he himself says,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord,“Sit at my righthand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.”’
36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

Acts5:30-32 TheGod of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree.31 God EXALTED him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance toIsrael and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”

Philippians 2:5-11 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,who,though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form,he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on across. Therefore God has highly EXALTED him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

***The Infinitely 3 times Holy Holy Holy Sovereign God humbled Himself in the 2nd person of The Trinity, Yeshua, The Son of God taking on humanity (incarnation) in being born in the likeness of man.  In human form, Christ fulfilled His mission by dying for the sins of His people.  Christ, in His humanity is therefore exalted by God The Father with the name above every name so that at the name of Yeshua, every knee should bow... and confess Christ is LORD (GOD).  Christ is not exalted in His deity because as God there is no higher exaltation.

Hebrews 7:26  For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and EXALTED above the heavens.

Yeshua was raised physically from the grave as a sign that He had power over spiritual death.
He no longer has a physical body.  His physical body was part of His humility.  He was exalted to the Name above all Names.  That Name is LORD!
I am aware of passages where Yeshua is mediator.  Is it necessary to have a physical body to be human or man?  Are we still human/man before God when our flesh dies?
Abraham and Patriarchs are regarded as alive to God yet they did not have physical bodies.

Matthew 22:32
‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.”

1.      1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
2.             Hebrews 8:6 But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.
3.             Hebrews 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
4.             Hebrews 12:24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
5.  Acts 17:30-31 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

by Joe Daniels

John 17:4-5 (NKJV)

“I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." (Was this a glorified human body?)

Philippians 2:6-8 (NKJV)
“who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance AS A MAN, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.”

1 Tim. 2:5 (NKJV)

"For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, THE MAN Christ Jesus."

Heb. 2:17-18 (NKJV)

"17Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted."

Heb. 4:15 (NKJV)

"1For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin."

Do any of these verses necessitate that Jesus has to remain a “MAN” in the same PHYSICAL BODY after His assention? Notice how Heb. 2:17-18 notes that Jesus had to be made like His brethren to be tempted so He could be merciful! (Heb.4:15)
We read in Jn. 17:4-5 that when He finished His work while here on earth as a man, being the Christ humbled even to the death of a cross, where He was separated from the Father as He took on our sins, and then was ultimately resurrected! He longed for the glory He had alongside of the Father prior to the beginning of the world! But did He have to remain a man forever? I say, NO!

He had to be made a man to be a merciful high priest, but He does not have to remain a man to continue to fulfill that role! Just as His coming being in the form of a man was for the substitution sacrifice for sin for all people of all time. Subsequently we can also say that “the man Jesus” always is the propitiation for sins. Likewise the Bible says “the man Jesus” afterwards sat down forever at the right hand of God. He is still the Christ, and does not have to be in the physical body history knew as Jesus to remain the Christ forever.

Hebrews 10:12-14 (NKJV)
“But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God.”
13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.”

Now notice this: Hebrews 5:6-9 (NKJV)
6 “As He also says in another place:
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek”;
7 WHO, IN THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.”

Now the days of His flesh are past tense. This is like my wife or close friends saying after I die, “The man” sure loved his seafood & beer! (past tense)
Jesus the Man took upon the sins of the world while a man; likewise He was made a man to be able to be our high priest, but never had to remain a man to continue this role for all who want to accept Him. His sacrifice & intersession were all in the past, along with His physical body.

Also here is some more food for thought:

How is it no one ever worries about the bodies that Jesus took on for His christophanies? I mean He did appear to people in the past in a physical bobies, didn’t He? Here are a few, and yet no one – I mean no one asks why, how or what happened to these bodies!
Gen.12:7-9 Abram has the Lord appear to him. (When he was 75 yrs. Old vs.4) In what form we are not told.
Genesis 18:1-33 In this portion of scripture the Lord appears and eats a meal with Abraham. This surely was in a physical body, incorporeal spirits don’t eat. (Lk.24:36-43)
Genesis 22:11-18 This is an interaction with the Angel of the Lord. When Abraham was going to sacrifice his son. In verse 16 we read that the Angel of the Lord was God. I don’t think it is the Father, but and incarnate Son. And He was in a body!

Genesis 32:22-30 Jacob physically gets into a no holds barred, no time limit pro wrestling style match with God (Christ). I don’t believe it was a Spirit he was fighting. It was Christ in a physical body! In Hos.12:3-4 he is said to have struggled wih God and also refered to as an angel.

Anyway – just a little more to think about! God bless ou all no matter what side of the fence you are on with this topic!

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