Tuesday, September 9, 2014

WHY I NO LONGER FOLLOW MY ROMAN CATHOLIC UPBRINGING by Saint Tuese Ahkiong

WHY I NO LONGER FOLLOW MY ROMAN CATHOLIC UPBRINGING by Saint Tuese Ahkiong

January 11, 2010 at 4:09pm
I grew up in a Catholic home and later left this religion by the end of high school (1988). There was just too many inconsistencies with the Bible and I wasn't even a Christian yet. Plus, I became a pagan and lived an ugodly life for several years.

In 1994, God showed mercy and grace upon me and rescued me from my sin. It was God's grace alone that changed me and nothing that I could do. I was powerless to change myself. Unless God acted, I would just be a dead man walking.

God's Gospel changed me. The Gospel is The Goodnews that Jesus came to save sinners. It's Goodnews b/c the soul that sins shall die and needed a savior. The Goodnews is Jesus lived the perfect life that God demands and that I couldn't live; he died the death that I deserve for my sin, resurrected from the grave in power over it and intercedes forever on my behalf. I have peace with God and the gift of heaven b/c of what Christ has done and not by anything I could do. Jesus says He is the way, The Truth and the Life and that no one can go to the Father except through Him. So by placing one's complete trust in Christ alone, one will have peace with God.

Rome teaches a different gospel. A gospel that cannot save; one that will send a person to hell. I've called about a dozen catholic churches in the area (Holy Angels, OLPH, St. Andrews, St. Veronicas, San Bruno Catholic Church, St. Augustines...) and asked the priests on the line, "What must I do to go to heaven?" Not one of them knew. All responded with "just be a good person." I responded with "how good do I have to be?" and "if I can be a good person to go to heaven then why did Jesus have to die?" NOT ONE PRIEST KNEW IF HE WAS GOING TO HEAVEN. And these guys are teaching people! Scary! Plus, I have held several forums at Skyline College with 7 different priests and catholic representatives and not one of them knew if they were going to heaven.

Rome's Gospel is faith plus doing good works will earn/merit you heaven. This CANNOT be found in THE BIBLE.

I wish my Roman catholic peeps would read the Bible but they're commited to their traditions, rituals and mysticism, just like I was. Most of the catholic men in my family would continuously go to church through out the week but never knew if they were going to heaven. I believe my father did this b/c he was trying to rid himself of his sins. Church attendance, prayers, good works can never take away your sin. If you commit adultery on your wife, will doing the good work of the dishes make up for it. ONLY JESUS AND JESUS ALONE CAN TAKE AWAY YOUR SIN. I hate to say this but my father is on his way to hell unless he stops trying to earn heaven and trust in Jesus alone. PLEASE PRAY FOR HIM. Thank you.

The 2 MAJOR ISSUES I HAVE WITH ROME:
1) WHAT IS YOUR AUTHORITY?
2) HOW CAN YOU KNOW FOR SURE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN?

Roman Catholics would answer
1) Roman Catholic Church Traditions and The Bible are their authority
2) Have faith and be good but they still can't know for sure if they are right with God.

Christians would answer
1) THE BIBLE ALONE is our authority
2) BY GRACE ALONE THROUGH FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE I am given peace with God and the gift of being with Him forever in heaven.


Some side notes:
-Roman Catholic pedophiles SHOULD BE PUNISHED LIKE EVERY OTHER CRIMINAL AND NOT GIVEN SPECIAL PROTECTION. SHAME ON THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR JUST RELOCATING THESE CRIMINAL PERVERTED PRIESTS! SHAME!
There was a perverted priest at Holy Angels in Colma Daly City sometime around 1978. I remember him asking me during confession leading questions about masturbation and so forth. These perverted priests need to be PUNISHED!!! -For you parents, would you want your child abused. Remember, Rome has men who have a suppressed sex drive around your children. They are but men with wickedness in their hearts as the Bible says in Jeremiah 17.9.
-It is unBiblical for Catholics to re-sacrifice Jesus (don't worry it's not jesus but a different jesus) during their communion and say "may this sacrifice be acceptable to You (God)." What!? May it be...? It already was. Jesus said, "It is finish!" This is so unbiblical but they don't read their Bibles. They follow their leaders without even questioning them.
Heb 7.27 "Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself"
heb 9.28 "so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people..."
-I know hundreds of Catholics and I don't know any of them who has a regular Bible study or even opens the book up on a regular basis. The Catholic church exalts its rituals and traditions over The Word of God.
-I hated going to mass with my father. He was such a hypocrite. My cousins hated sleeping over on Fridays b/c instead of waking up to watch Saturday morning cartoons and sleeping in, we would go to mass. Arrrrrhhhh!!!! lol.  Catholics believe going to mass will earn them points.  Wrong!!!






SCRIPTURES TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OF ROMAN CATHOLICISM.
http://www.biblebc.com/Studies/Cults/answers_from_scripture_to_show_p.htm modified

1. FINAL AUTHORITY BEING ONLY THE BIBLE.
2 TIM 3:15-17 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
HEB 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
MATT 4 4Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[1] “
ROM 3 4Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”[1]
JOHN 17 17Sanctify[1] them by the truth; your word is truth.
JOHN 8 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

2. SALVATION IS NOT BY WORKS AT ALL, NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY ARE.
EPH 2:8-9For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
GAL 2 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
1JOHN5.12-13 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

4. ALL PASTORS ARE TO BE MARRIED AS A GENERAL RULE. PETER WAS MARRIED.
1 TIM 3.2Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
MATT 8.14When Jesus came into Peter’s house, he saw Peter’s mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.

6. JESUS DOES NOT APPROVE THE ROSARY (MATT 6:7), AND ANY OTHER REPETITIOUS PRAYER!
MATT 6 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

7. THERE IS NO PURGATORY -IT’S EITHER HEAVEN OR HELL!
2 COR 5 8We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
HEB 1 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
HEB 9 27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
Romans 8 1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,[1]

8. A PERSON IS JUSTIFIED ONLY BY FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST JESUS ALONE.
ROM 1 17For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[1] just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”[2]
GAL 2 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

9. JESUS FINISHED PAYING FOR ALL OF MY SINS ON THE CROSS.
JOHN 19 30When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

10. SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE WORST SIN.
1 JOHN 1 8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. Romans 10 3Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.


11. “I KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS” IS IMPOSSIBLE. EVERYONE MUST REPENT AND BORN AGAIN.
JAMES 2 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
TITUS 3 5 He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
Thinking that “My church is better than others” is not what Matters with God. JOHN 3 3In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.[1] “

12. MARY WAS A SINNER - NOT SINLESS
LUKE 2 21On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived.
22When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord 23(as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”[1] ), 24and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”[2]
ROM 310As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

13. MARY NEEDED A SAVIOR
LUKE 1 47and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,

14. JESUS HAD BROTHERS AND SISTERS
MATT 12 46While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”[1]
48He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
MATT 13 55”Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? 56Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?”
MARK 6 3”Where did this man get these things?” they asked. “What’s this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles! Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph,[1] Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.
GAL 1 19I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother.

15. THERE IS NO NEED TO PRAY TO MARY, OR ANY SAINT ! -GOD FORBIDS CONTACT WITH THE DEAD. - IT IS IDOLATRY TO PRAY TO ANYONE ELSE BUT GOD. MARY & THE SAINTS ARE NOT GOD. THEY ARE FINITE CREATURES.
1 TIM 2 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
DEUT 18 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in [a] the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or WHO CONSULTS THE DEAD. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. 13 You must be blameless before the LORD your God.

16. RELIGION ENDS UP SUBSTITUTING THE TRADITIONS OF MEN IN THE PLACE OF THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD
MARK 7 7They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’[1] 10For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’[2] and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’[3]
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  • Henry Chu and Bernadette Abuda like this.
  • Henry Chu Thank You Bro! Blessings Jedi 
  • Paul Lucas The most important reason I reject Roman Catholicism can be summed up in two words: Imputed Righteousness

    Rome's system obscures and muddies this doctrine that is at the heart of the gospel.
  • Tuese Ahkiong I've been trying to classify Roman Catholicism based purely on their doctrine. They are either a Christian Cult; apostate/aberrant sect; or corrupted Christian-sect. They are not Christians based on their teachings b/c their teachings send people to hell. They reject as anathema (a curse) the Gospel. Their position has not changed since the 16th Century Council of Trent .http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct06.html

    My heart breaks b/c many of my family are Catholics who have been fed a false gospel.

    Lord God Almighty, please show mercy on Roman Catholics who are being led astray by blind guides. Bring your elect out of that institution and into your Kingdom. Even use this FB posting to win the lost. I pray this so that the Name of Jesus would be glorified as The Only Lord Savior.
  • Ben Rosado Hi, well I was included in this noe adn I am a Catholic. Waht I would say first, is that much of this is misunderstanding of what catholics believe. Most of it is a strawman argument. I would love to discuss this anytime with you tuese, as I know how biblical the Catholic Church actually is. check out www.catholicbridge.com to learn more. The tabs on the left explain the truth about Catholicism.

    peace in Christ and His Church
  • Tuese Ahkiong Thanks Ben. I will look at your link. peace.
  • Ben Rosado Jesus saves! throgh the Church He founded
  • Darren Ooyman This is turning into a fascinating dialogue. 
  • Tuese Ahkiong Ben,
    What church did He found? Was it the Roman Catholic Church?
  • Ben Rosado Well waht church did the world receive the bible from? What church told Martin Luther of Christ?

    It was the Church of Jesus Christ who did these things.
  • Tuese Ahkiong If you're saying that the Roman Catholic Church gave the world the Bible, it's very interesting that it killed millions of people for owning, reading or just listening to the Bible. Then it kept the world in ignorance, superstition, and poverty for 1000 years of the dark ages while it lived in gold royalty w pimp daddy clothes property, land ownership... Plus, it's own people and many priests didn't understand the Latin Bible. Then it murdered tens of million more via inquisitions, crusades, jesuit assasins of the reformers... Bro, study your church history. It's not very pretty. -Another thing, I don't think it was the church of Jesus Christ but those professing to be the church that did these things.

    Oh, I'm not to thrilled about being part of that church!
  • Tuese Ahkiong History is not a good friend of the Roman Catholic Church.
  • Ben Rosado l tuese, the fact is that the Catholic Church did give the world the bible. Now what they were against is the bibles that martin luther created, I am not sure if you know that he removed books from the bible, including the book of james. 

    my point is that without God's Church, the world would never have even seen the bible. That is because God works through His church.
  • Darren Ooyman Tuese, Ben and I spent four hours at a Subway discussing Biblical doctrine. It was very illuminating of where I see Catholics coming from. I hope this one on FB is just as uplifting and enlightening. 

    Remember Ben, Scripture is above tradition. 


    1 Cor 4:6 "Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, 'Do not go beyond what is written.' Then you will not take pride in one man over against another."

    Col 2:8 "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ"
  • Ben Rosado sure there is such a thing as human tradition, but what about traditions within the church itself? For example: does your church have a youth minister? Well couldn't I say that you have gone beyond what is written? Of course not because after all, there is a good reason why you have allowed your church to grow in this way.

    Is that a human tradition that you have accepted or is that a church tradition? Are they one and the same? if so, then why say that the Church has done anything wrong by having traditions?

    Darren, without the church, all you have are many people clamoring for the right to tell you that they have the correct interpretation of scriputre. But it was never meant to be this way. god not only gave us the scriptures but also gave us a church with authority to interpret the message of Christ. See Acts 15 to understand that the Church must make decisions and all should accept the teachings of the church.
  • Darren Ooyman I see there was much dispute in Acts 15, especially with circumcision through which it was argued one must do to be justified. And yes there is nothing wrong with traditions that come from the Word of God. Traditions that are beyond what is written and add to the Word are to be discarded. Scripture does allow leaders to preside so I don't think having youth ministers goes beyond what is written. 

    I see the church as such because of the Word of God. The church isn't the church without the Word of God. The truth comes from Scripture. All should accept the teachings of the church IF the church uses the Scripture to interpret, filter, and dictate tradition. 

    Praying of the dead is a tradition no where in Scripture. No verse in the Protestant canon pertains to this practice which you mentioned. I take that to mean it's not in the Bible, so why should I believe that? Another reason I can't accept this idea is because after you die comes the judgment (Heb 9:27).
  • Ben Rosado Thge point that I am trying to show from Acts 15 is that the Church has an authority of its own. All Christians must submit to the decisions reached by the church because Jesus came to found a church with a leadership. this was the first church council. and there were others afterwards.

    Christ only has one Church and it was always this same one.

    with regard to only submitting to traditions if they themselves are found in the bible, the bible itself says something different thatn this. Scripture speaks about accepting what has been preached whteher by letter or by word (having some trouble locating this verse right now) but basically it says that all that the Church has procalimed must be accepted, whether it is written down or not. Some things have been transmitted orally.

    the proof of all is that , agian, I say, the bible would not exist had the church not done its part in prayfully selecting which books belong to it. The truth is Darren, the Catholic Church decided what books would be in the bible that you accept. In some sense, you are following Catholic Tradition by accepting which books are canonical. Do you know that the Catholic Church is the Church of Jesus Christ? of course it is, that is why the bible comes through this Church.
  • Ben Rosado and with regard to if purgatory is mentioned in the bible, first of all know that Martin Luther removed books from the bible, including the book of James. So yes, in teh book of Maccabees, purgatory is mentioned explicitly. Even if you won't believe that Luther removed books from scripture, you can know that the people of israel, the Jews whom we have received our fatih from, also believed in purgatory.
  • Darren Ooyman Those books of the apocrophra weren't accepted by the Roman Catholic Church during the first four hundred centuries. In 1546, the church accepted such books as part of canon as a response to the reformation. Remember the Roman Catholic Church approved of the 39 OT that are in the Protestant canon before it approved of the apocrophra. These books were written between 420 BC and up to the time of Jesus, so how could they be authentic? Malachi was written much eariler. The OT canon had be shut after that and God's prophesies has been silenced.

    Purgatory doesn't make sense, since it implies that Jesus didn't sufficiently atone for sin, and all sin, and every sin. The blood of Jesus is sufficient. Did you get that? Purgatory is an insult to what he did at the cross.
  • Darren Ooyman Oops I made an error. The apocrypha was composed between 250BC and the first century AD, so the inclusion of such books in a canon of Scripture is still questionable lest they were written at the time the Spirit of prophesy has departed from Israel; after Malachi. 

    Tobit 6:8 condones the use of magic to drive away "all kinds of devils." It's black magic. Doesn't the Pentateuch condemn such a thing? It does actually! 

    Deut 18:9-13 "When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. 13 You must be blameless before the LORD your God." 

    Verse 11 deals with consulting with the dead. Are you bothered by that? And for Tobit 6:8 again, the smoke from a fish's heart drives away the devils? That sounds like sorcery to me.
  • Ben Rosado Oh I found the verse that speaks of the need to obey not only scriture but the tradtions of the church as well: 2 Thes 2:15. Of course this verse is not the only one.
  • Ben Rosado here is info about the "apocrypha." It was not added to the bible in 1546. I think that your source is biased Darren. 

    http://www.davidmacd.com/.../bible_catholics_apocrypha.htm
  • Ben Rosado as far as Tobit is concerned, the question you asked is answered here in much depth:

    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=169220
  • Ben Rosado I Cor 4:6 "do not go beyond what is written" cannot refer to scripture in the way you have used it Darren. this is because there was no new testament at that time when Paul wrote 1 Cor. 

    Do you see how if you try to use that verse to make it mean what you want it to mean, then you bascially can't accept the New Testament, because that would be going beyond what had been written at that time.
  • Darren Ooyman As for the Tobit passage is concerned, I still see the smoke issue as magic since unlike in a manner of the OT canonical books it doesn't have the Lord Almighty's "stamp of approval" on it. Why is an angel telling a boy that the "smoke from a fish's heart and liver when burned will cast all demons away from" instead of the promise that because this boy knows the LORD (YHWH) there will no demons afflicting him or his family? For all we know the angel speaking could be a demon as well (2 cor 11:14). 

    We could discuss the issues of canonization of the Apocrypha, which it seems the Protestants and Catholics are deadlocked, so I am going straight to the source to argue for why I think these books aren't ones from the mouth of God. 1 Maccabees 9:27 and 14:41 indicate there were no true prophets during such a time. No where in these books, as far as I know, is there a mark of approval where God speaks and says things like, "Thus says the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel" or "As the Scripture says," or "Says the LORD" unlike what you see in Jeremiah and the Pentateuch, and elsewhere. Can you point me to a place in the books in question where it is claimed that what is claimed within them is the Word of God? Is there prophesy? 

    When Paul speaks of "the traditions" in Gal 1:14 and 2 Thess 2:15, how do you know it is the "apostolic traditions of the Roman Catholic Church" and not something more broad? I think it's more broad since the Greek word paradosis simply means what was has been passed down. Roman Catholicism cannot be assumed here since that would be circular reasoning because the RCC as an ecclesiastical organization did not exist until much later, like centuries after Christ. The Word of God is sufficient and anything else that the church does must be checked and filtered through it. The Word of God is not a gift that the Catholic Church gave to Protestants, and nor is the church equal to Scripture (CCC, 86). Scripture is above any church and guiding manual for any local church, because it is Word of God. Without the Word of God, any church would be meaningless. 

    1 Cor 4:6 refers to the OT of course. Jewish Christians only that to go by. They did have the Word of God after all and learn about Jesus from Isaiah 53 just like we can. But 1 Cor 4:6 does apply to us. 

    Hey Tu, can you say something? This is your "note" section afterall. 
  • Ben Rosado ddi you check out the link about Tobit? The point that was made is that there are many instances in the Bible where some use of water, salt, a bronze serpent, medicine, etc. are used to effect healing. This however is all done through God's power. The fact is, in the book, the angel is a messenger of God and says clearly: "And now the Lord hath sent me to heal thee, and to deliver Sara thy son's wife from the devil. For I am the angel Raphael, one of the seven, who stand before the Lord. Tob 2:14-15

    let me try to answer your questions about scripture now. Nehemiah, and other books as well do not all have a verse that says "thus says the Lord" or the like. So I think that that point is easily dismissed.

    One of the main points I want to show you Darren is that Catholicism did exist from the very beginning of Jesus founding the church. Let me ask you what you would need to see to know that it was the Catholic Curch then. Did they beleive catholic doctrines and not protestant ones? Did they have a structure and worship service like that of catholics and not like that of protestants? If so, then why still claim that they wern't catholic? 

    The truth is is that the center of christian worship was always the Eucharist and yes, they beleived it to be the True Body and blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. You can look this up when you begin studying early church history. 

    Here is the problem with circular reasoning: Protestants claim taht the eary church was not Catholic and base this upon their own personal interpretation of scripture. but the problem is that they should instead find out how the early church interpreted scripture. Then you will understand what was truly passed down to them. 

    for example: Did they really accept the eucharist in a catholic way? So you read the writings of the early church and find that they did in the year 100 A.D. So you see, now you are getting more information about what was passed down to the early church. It was Catholic, and and that is because it always was.

    here is a link!:
    http://www.scripturecatholic.com/

    every subject in this lik has at the bottom quotes from the early church, so that you know what faith was once and for all passed down to the holy ones.

    1 cor 4:6. My point is that if you took that scripture to mean what you origianlly thought it meant, then you could not go beyond the scripture that existed at that time. and all that existed at that time was the Old Testament. 

    this goes along with other scriptures that protestants try to use to "prove" sola scriptura. for example: 2 Tim 3:16 "all scriputre is inspried by God and is usefulfor teaching, refutation, for correction, adn for training in righteousness..." if you try to make this refer to sola scriptura then you can only be referring to the Old Testament because thta is the only scripture that existed when this verse was written. So sola Scriptura has no basis in scripture at all. what does have a basis is the Church as the God given interpreter of the Word of God (the Word of God referrring to Jesus Christ and all that He came to reveal).
  • Ben Rosado And regardless of any ideas that Scripture is above all else, why do you have a problem with the Church being just as special in God's eyes? After all He founded it didn't He? Didn't He come to win the Church for Himself? There are so many scriptures that speak of the beauty of the Church. It is important to God because it is his instrument to bring salvation to all humanity. And praise the Lord, that is just what she does!
  • Tuese Ahkiong Another brother in Christ shared last night that when he was a catholic, his priest would regularly ask him leading questions about masturbation. [PERVERTS!}
  • Nicolas Noya So the Bible is to be taken literally word for word. Is this Fundamentalism?
  • Tuese Ahkiong The bible is to be taken according to its literature or genre. 
    I'm not sure of fundamentalism but that sounds like a dispensational hermeneutics

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