Monday, September 8, 2014

The Nature of The Resurrection

for you thinking Christians

The Nature of The Resurrection

2 Tim 2
16 But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, 17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have swerved from the truth,

saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some.

19 But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

--How the heck could Hymenaeus and Philetus have fooled people and upset their faith by saying the resurrection has already happened? 

Assuming today's popular understanding of an earth shaking, globe being burned up notion where people come out of the ground like Michael Jackson in Thriller, how could these guys trick people that the resurrection had occurred?

Could it be because they had a different understanding of the resurrection's nature from modern Christians who have been poisoned by futurism? YES.

Is Paul challenging Hymenaeus and Philetus' understanding of the resurrection's nature? NO.
Is Paul challenging their understanding of the "timing?" YES.

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  • Tuese Ahkiong If the Temple is still standing, it means that the Law, Priesthood, sacrificial system, unbelieving Jews still in power persecuting the saints.... has NOT passed away and that the saints are still under Law. This is what would be upsetting the faith of believers. Plus, they were promised relief from their persecutors which did not happen. H & P were probably Judaizers trying to bring Christian folk back to the law (this age). One would then be justified by keeping the law of Mose which is wrong.

    Remember, Daniel 12 says that the resurrection would occur at the destruction of the holy people. This was still pre-70 AD.

    What do you mean by being argued both ways?

    Paul in vs 2 tim 2:19 is quoting from v5 of
    Numbers 16
    Now Korah the son of Izhar, son of Kohath, son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiram the sons of Eliab, and On the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took men. 2 And they rose up before Moses, with a number of the people of Israel, 250 chiefs of the congregation, chosen from the assembly, well-known men. 3 They assembled themselves together against Moses and against Aaron and said to them, “You have gone too far! For all in the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them. Why then do you exalt yourselves above the assembly of the Lord?” 4 When Moses heard it, he fell on his face, 5 and he said to Korah and all his company, “In the morning

    the Lord will show who is his, 

    and who is holy, and will bring him near to him. The one whom he chooses he will bring near to him.

    Paul's authority was being challenged. Was he speaking on behalf of God or was Hymenaus and Philetus? Obviously, Paul demonstrates that he was God's spokesman.
  • David Bernard My point was that the believers could point to a still-standing Temple and say "What are u guys talking about? As the long as the Temple stands the people are not destroyed, so how can u say that the Resurrection is past?" thus, one could argue the other way.
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  • David Bernard If I tell u that an event will occur in the spiritual realm and the sign will be the destruction of the White House and then two guys come on the scene saying said event transpired already, u could see that the White House was still standing and that the two dudes were in error.
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  • Tuese Ahkiong 1. The believers in Ephesus couldn't point to the temple bc they didn't have TV or internet in

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-2
    2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

    Paul is writing the Thessalonians not to be quickly shaken that peeps like H & P could be writing letters that the day of the Lord has come already. Now, here we go with nature of the resurrection and the day of the Lord again. If the 1st Christians thought these events were a destruction of the world to the atomic level, how the heck could a letter fool them? The nature of the resurrection and day of the Lord is NOT physical bodies coming out of the graves all over the earth and the earth being blown up to smithereens at least this is how I see Scripture teaching its nature. The way that some of them could be fooled was by the sons of the father of lies, the unbelieving Jews/ Judaizers lying. 

    So, have you taken another step closer to FULL-PRETERISM? lol.

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